Johannes Stalter

Other Events and Attributes:

• Reference Number: 84
• Religion: Amish Mennonite
• Residence: 1803, Bavaria, GR

Notes:

Johannes applied for a lease of estates belonging to the Polling cloister in 1803. It is not clear if he received a lease, but later he operated an estate in Gern along with his brother Heinrich. His ultimate fate is unknown.

“Kloster Polling is a former monastery in Polling bei Weilheim, district of Weilheim-Schongau, in Upper Bavaria, Germany. According to legend, the founder was Duke Tassilo III of Bavaria in about 750, but it seems more likely that the founders were members of the powerful Bavarian noble family of the Huosi. Initially this was a Benedictine monastery, but later became a house of Augustinian canons. The abbey was dissolved during the secularisation of 1803 and the buildings were mostly demolished between 1805 and 1807. The important late Gothic abbey church with early Baroque stucco work by the Wessobrunn stuccoist Georg Schmuzer is now the parish church. Part of what few buildings remained came into the possession of the Dominican sisters in 1892. The dispensary and the service block passed into private ownership. Johannes later operated an estate in Gern along with his brother, Heinrich. It is unclear whether he was a co-owner of the estate. His ultimate fate is unknown.

Birth:
Kirschbacherhof

Residence:
Munich area

Other Events and Attributes:

• Occupation: Farmer at Tenscherhof in 1750
• Reference Number: 61
• Religion: Mennonite
• Residence: 1750, Sarralbe, Moselle, FR
• Residence: 1770, Homburg, Saarland, GR
• Residence: Abt 1776, Zweibrücken, Rheinland-Pfalz, GR
• Residence: 1777, Sarralbe, Moselle, FR
• Residence: Abt 1802-1803, Gern, Munich, Bavaria, GR

Notes:

Heinrich was leaseholder on Kirschbacherhof (near Zweibrrücken, GR), a very old and sizable ducal estate which is known from documentary sources as early as 1295. The original buildings were destroyed during the Revolution and the present ones were rebuilt in the early 1800s.
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“ Henry Stalter, born in 1725 in Zweibrücken, was a farmer there since at least 1750 when his wife gave birth to a child named Christian, and that first wife died before 1776. Since that year, his second wife, Catherine Imhoff gave birth to two son to Homburg Saar, Henry named the youth, and Jacques (quoted above at Haras). The family is back at Tenscherhof in 1777, year of birth of a daughter. Two daughters died in 1794 aged 23 years, and Henry Stalter, father, dies Tenscherhof, February 23, 1800.“


A Brief History of The Kirschbacher Hof and the Ducal Family That Owned It

“The Kirschbacher Hof estate was the birthplace of our ancestor, Heinrich Stalter. This estate is located on the western edge of present-day Germany, near the city of Zweibrücken, close to Luxembourg and Lorraine, France.

“This estate is very old and is documented back to 1295. Duke Johann I purchased it at the end of the 1500s and gave it to his hunting master Christian von Bernstein. It was he, too, who built the Kirschbach mill.

“In 1737, the widowed Countess Palatine Caroline, née Countess of Nassau-Saarbrücken, as ruling sovereign and guardian over her minor son Christian, bought the estate for 12600 guilders and leased it to the Mennonite Heinrich Stalter. Historians consider her an especially prudent and active sovereign.

“The members of the ducal family preferred to stay at this estate during hunting. The grandsons of the Duke’s mother, the Counts Palatine Karl and Max, and the Counts of Forbach, Christian and Willhelm, were frequent hunting guests and, in this way became acquainted with the tenant Heinrich Stalter, which later proved to be advantageous for the Stalter family.

“In 1762, Duke Christian IV took over the estate from his mother and granted it to his sons. Then Duke Karl II August seized the estate again and donated it as perviously mentioned, to his wife Amilie.

“During the French Revolution (started in 1789 and lasting about a quarter of a century), French troops moved across the border into German territory and set fire to the estate. (The French Revolution was about eliminating the ruling class so estates such as this became targets.) Heinrich Stalter and his family were forced to leave the estate and find temporary shelter on another estate, the Bickenaschbacher Hof, where Heinrich’s eldest son, Christian Stalter, was living.”

At the beginning of 1800 the family moved to Bavaria, near Munich, living on property in Gern near the Nymphenburg palace.

Heinrich was a friend of King Maximillian I Joseph of Bavaria. He is known to have at least six children, but probably had four more. Hermann Guth read documents in the archives in Neuburg telling how Heinrich complained to neighbors and acquaintances that a monestary at Thierhaupten (near Hemerten) was sold for too low a price. The story reached King Max, who insisted that the price be increased. He trusted Heinrich's judgement enough to act upon it.

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Birth:
(an hour away from Grostenquin/Linstroff)

Residence:
Tencherhof estate--son Christian born there

Residence:
Lingenhof estate--son Josef born there

Residence:
Kirschbacherhof: Three children born there: Heinrich, Johannes and Maria

Residence:
Tenscherhof

Died:
Tenscherhof

Heinrich married Katharina Imhoff before 1770. Katharina was born in 1744. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Reference Number: 62
• Religion: Mennonite
• Residence: 1802, Bavaria, GR

Notes:

Katherina was Heinrich's second wife. The first is not known.

Residence:
Left with her children for Bavaria after Heinrich’s death

Other Events and Attributes:

• EARL: Y
• Occupation: Farmer
• Reference Number: 63
• Religion: Amish Mennonite
• Residence: 1742, Zweibrücken, Rheinland-Pfalz, GR

Notes:

“The exact home of the Stalter family in Switzerland is not known. Ernst Muller, in his Geschichte der Bernischen Taufer, mentions a Barbe Stalter, who came with two children to the Palatinate in 1672, together with other refugees, leaving seven children behind.

"The name Stalter/Stalder is probably derived from one of the countless towns named Stalden which can be found in nearly every Swiss canton. The first Stalters in the vicinity of Zweibrücken appeared in 1742 on the Gersbergerhof, where at that time a leaseholder Christian Stalter lived with his son. In addition another leaseholder, Hans Stalter, with two sons and four daughters, and a day-laborer, Hans Stalter, with two daughters, are mentioned.

"It appears that Hans Stalter, married to Elisabeth Weiss, had two sons by the names of Johannes Stalter and Heinrich Stalter, who became the progenitors of two branches of the Stalter family. One branch still exists today (the descendants of Johannes), but the other has largely died out (the descendants of Heinrich), at least in the area around Zweibrücken. To be sure emigration contributed to this, as well as the fact that in one generation the children of several families remained unmarried. Was there perhaps a hereditary illness which caused responsible people to decide not to marry?"
It is believed/known that the descendants of Heinrich either did not have children, and/or those that did, immigrated to America.” , ,,

Birth:
Gersbergerhof, GR

Residence:
Leaseholder on the Gersbergerhof

Johannes + Elisabeth Weiss. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Reference Number: 64
• Religion: Amish Mennonite