Marie Kettner

Notes:

Birth:
House No. 7

Other Events and Attributes:

• Occupation: In Europe A Gutler (Farmer, Small Land Owner), In US A Laborer
• Residence: 1809, Gern, Munich, Bavaria, GR
• Residence: 1811, Gern, Munich, Bavaria, GR
• Immigration: 7 Jun 1851, Le Havre to New York

Notes:

“Marie Birki, a husband, and children are found as emigrants from Gern in Friedrich Blendinger's Die Auswanderung nach Nordamerika aus dem Regierungsbezirk Oberbayern in den Jahren 1846-1852. Farmer/small landowner (Ger. Gütner) Georg Kettner left Bavaria and came to Illinois in 1851; Marie may have died shortly before or after. Blendinger's account from Munich records says he brought seven children, one illegitimate child, four illegitimate grandchildren, and 1,562 florins. A passenger list has not been identified; Kettner may have traveled with Valentine and Marie's brother Christian, whose passenger list has also not been identified. A George Kettner was naturalized in Tazewell County, and purportedly stated on the form that he was 39 when he arrived at New York in 1851. He may have been a son. He was living with Anna Elizabeth Haas at Pekin in 1860; the census describes the household of laborer George Kidner, 43, Bavaria; Anna, 37, Bavaria; John Bohn,4, Illinois; Frederic Smelzer, 24, Bavaria; and Cartroon, 23, Prussia. Anna had apparently brought a 2-year-old son John to her marriage with John Bohn Sr. in Tazewell County June 25, 1858, and John Sr. had died before 1860. The 1870 census of Pekin's Third Ward describes laborer George Keltner, 54, Bavaria; Anna, 46, Bavaria; and John Bohn, 14, Illinois. Although no entries for Kettner children were found on county censuses, the Illinois Statewide Marriage Index shows an obvious pattern. Four Tazewell County marriages took place in 1851-52 (spellings as found): Susannah Kitner married Jacob Zitler June 23, 1851; Saphrona Kitner married Joseph 'Kaughman' Aug. 17, 1851; Elizabeth Kitner married Casper Overmire Dec. 27, 1851; and Jackobina Kittner married Christian 'Renkenburger' March 14, 1852.”

Gary L. Yordy found the passenger list of the bark Adhemar, which sailed from Le Havre and arrived at New York June 7, 1851: George Kether, 63; Magdalena, 39; Susanna, 37; Elizabeth, 35; Georg, 34; Catharine, 33; Veronika Kettner, 31; Jacobina, 29; Elizabeth, 5; George, 9; Magdalena Lindeler, 6; and Jacob Lindeler, 5.

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An article in the October 2023 Mennonite Family History by Herbert Holly gives a detailed desciption of Georg’s troubled life between the Catholic and Amish Mennonite faiths and its impact upon his families’ lives. Georg eventually joined with the Gern Mennonites in 1837, stayed there until 1851, at which time he left with family members for America. (Those involved with Georg in his back and forth dealings with the Royal District Court were Heinrich Stalter, Valentin Bircki, Nikolaus Augustin, and Daniel Zehr.)

Georg traveled to America after his wife’s death in 1848, with seven children and four grandchildren: Elizabeth Kettner b. abt 1846; Georg Kettner b. abt 1842; Magdalena Lindeler b. abt 1845; and Jacob Lindeler b. abt 1846. Also, with his brother-in-law, Christian Birky.

Residence:
House No. 6, former community shepherd’s house, which since January 15, 1830, has been the joint property of Mennonites Heinrich, Jakob and Joseph Stalter

Immigration:
NY Passenger Lists, 1820-1957: 1851 ship Adhimary, with the Christian Birki family

Georg married Suzanne Stalter in 1811 in Seefeld, Bavaria, GR. Suzanne (daughter of Heinrich Stalter and Katharina Imhoff) was born about 1787; died in 1848 in Gern, Munich, Bavaria, GR. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Religion: Mennonite, but was banned from attending services because of her marriage to a Catholic.

Notes:

Married:
By a Catholic priest.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Occupation: Farmer at Tenscherhof in 1750
• Reference Number: 61
• Religion: Mennonite
• Residence: 1750, Sarralbe, Moselle, FR
• Residence: 1770, Homburg, Saarland, GR
• Residence: Abt 1776, Zweibrücken, Rheinland-Pfalz, GR
• Residence: 1777, Sarralbe, Moselle, FR
• Residence: Abt 1802-1803, Gern, Munich, Bavaria, GR

Notes:

Heinrich was leaseholder on Kirschbacherhof (near Zweibrrücken, GR), a very old and sizable ducal estate which is known from documentary sources as early as 1295. The original buildings were destroyed during the Revolution and the present ones were rebuilt in the early 1800s.
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“ Henry Stalter, born in 1725 in Zweibrücken, was a farmer there since at least 1750 when his wife gave birth to a child named Christian, and that first wife died before 1776. Since that year, his second wife, Catherine Imhoff gave birth to two son to Homburg Saar, Henry named the youth, and Jacques (quoted above at Haras). The family is back at Tenscherhof in 1777, year of birth of a daughter. Two daughters died in 1794 aged 23 years, and Henry Stalter, father, dies Tenscherhof, February 23, 1800.“


A Brief History of The Kirschbacher Hof and the Ducal Family That Owned It

“The Kirschbacher Hof estate was the birthplace of our ancestor, Heinrich Stalter. This estate is located on the western edge of present-day Germany, near the city of Zweibrücken, close to Luxembourg and Lorraine, France.

“This estate is very old and is documented back to 1295. Duke Johann I purchased it at the end of the 1500s and gave it to his hunting master Christian von Bernstein. It was he, too, who built the Kirschbach mill.

“In 1737, the widowed Countess Palatine Caroline, née Countess of Nassau-Saarbrücken, as ruling sovereign and guardian over her minor son Christian, bought the estate for 12600 guilders and leased it to the Mennonite Heinrich Stalter. Historians consider her an especially prudent and active sovereign.

“The members of the ducal family preferred to stay at this estate during hunting. The grandsons of the Duke’s mother, the Counts Palatine Karl and Max, and the Counts of Forbach, Christian and Willhelm, were frequent hunting guests and, in this way became acquainted with the tenant Heinrich Stalter, which later proved to be advantageous for the Stalter family.

“In 1762, Duke Christian IV took over the estate from his mother and granted it to his sons. Then Duke Karl II August seized the estate again and donated it as perviously mentioned, to his wife Amilie.

“During the French Revolution (started in 1789 and lasting about a quarter of a century), French troops moved across the border into German territory and set fire to the estate. (The French Revolution was about eliminating the ruling class so estates such as this became targets.) Heinrich Stalter and his family were forced to leave the estate and find temporary shelter on another estate, the Bickenaschbacher Hof, where Heinrich’s eldest son, Christian Stalter, was living.”

At the beginning of 1800 the family moved to Bavaria, near Munich, living on property in Gern near the Nymphenburg palace.

Heinrich was a friend of King Maximillian I Joseph of Bavaria. He is known to have at least six children, but probably had four more. Hermann Guth read documents in the archives in Neuburg telling how Heinrich complained to neighbors and acquaintances that a monestary at Thierhaupten (near Hemerten) was sold for too low a price. The story reached King Max, who insisted that the price be increased. He trusted Heinrich's judgement enough to act upon it.

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Birth:
(an hour away from Grostenquin/Linstroff)

Residence:
Tencherhof estate--son Christian born there

Residence:
Lingenhof estate--son Josef born there

Residence:
Kirschbacherhof: Three children born there: Heinrich, Johannes and Maria

Residence:
Tenscherhof

Died:
Tenscherhof

Heinrich married Katharina Imhoff before 1770. Katharina was born in 1744. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Reference Number: 62
• Religion: Mennonite
• Residence: 1802, Bavaria, GR

Notes:

Katherina was Heinrich's second wife. The first is not known.

Residence:
Left with her children for Bavaria after Heinrich’s death

Other Events and Attributes:

• EARL: Y
• Occupation: Farmer
• Reference Number: 63
• Religion: Amish Mennonite
• Residence: 1742, Zweibrücken, Rheinland-Pfalz, GR

Notes:

“The exact home of the Stalter family in Switzerland is not known. Ernst Muller, in his Geschichte der Bernischen Taufer, mentions a Barbe Stalter, who came with two children to the Palatinate in 1672, together with other refugees, leaving seven children behind.

"The name Stalter/Stalder is probably derived from one of the countless towns named Stalden which can be found in nearly every Swiss canton. The first Stalters in the vicinity of Zweibrücken appeared in 1742 on the Gersbergerhof, where at that time a leaseholder Christian Stalter lived with his son. In addition another leaseholder, Hans Stalter, with two sons and four daughters, and a day-laborer, Hans Stalter, with two daughters, are mentioned.

"It appears that Hans Stalter, married to Elisabeth Weiss, had two sons by the names of Johannes Stalter and Heinrich Stalter, who became the progenitors of two branches of the Stalter family. One branch still exists today (the descendants of Johannes), but the other has largely died out (the descendants of Heinrich), at least in the area around Zweibrücken. To be sure emigration contributed to this, as well as the fact that in one generation the children of several families remained unmarried. Was there perhaps a hereditary illness which caused responsible people to decide not to marry?"
It is believed/known that the descendants of Heinrich either did not have children, and/or those that did, immigrated to America.” , ,,

Birth:
Gersbergerhof, GR

Residence:
Leaseholder on the Gersbergerhof

Johannes + Elisabeth Weiss. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Reference Number: 64
• Religion: Amish Mennonite