Johannes Sutor b. 1765 d. 1 Jun 1844 Ingolstadt, Bavaria, GR: The Schrock-Birkey Connection

Johannes Sutor

Male 1765 - 1844  (79 years)


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  • Name Johannes Sutor  [1, 2, 3, 4
    Birth 1765  [5
    • “Johannes Suttor was born circa 1764. A report for the birth of one of his children gives his birthplace. The document – written by a municipal clerk at Karlskron, 7 miles south of Ingolstadt – stated that he was born on the 'Lindenbrunnerhof bei Annweiler.' This may have been either of two locations. The first possibility is the LindeLbrunnerhof farm between Darstein and Münchweiler am Klingbach, about 4 miles from Annweiler. However, there is a good case to be made for the LindeNbrunnerhof farm at Heltersberg, only a few miles from Lemberg, Pirmasens, and Münchweiler an der Rodalbe but 18 miles from Annweiler. One strong clue seems to point to the Lindenbrunnerhof: an Ingold family that lived there also lived with them in other locations, intermarried with the Sutters, and now has descendants in Tazewell County.”
    Gender Male 
    EARL
    Occupation Estate Manager/Farmer 
    Religion Amish Mennonite 
    Residence Bef 1796  St. Goarshausen, Nassau-Weilburg, GR Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • at the Rhine River
    Residence 1796  Probfeld, Bavaria, GR Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • at the time of Johannes’ and Barbara’s birth
    Residence Bef 1804  Annweiler, Palatinate, GR Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Lindelbrunnerhof, 4 mi. from Annweiler
    Residence 1804-1811  Kaisheim, Bavaria, GR Find all individuals with events at this location  [5
    • Former Cistercian monastery (tenant, along with Friedrich Hage). This estate had belonged to a Catholic abbey before it was secularized in 1803. During the time the Sutters lived there the grounds were used to grow food for the Bavarian army; after 1811 it was used to house displaced Franciscans, then converted into a prison.
    Residence 1 Oct 1811  Neuberg-an-Donau, Bavaria, GR Find all individuals with events at this location  [5
    • Forsthof, a Jesuit estate (with Friedrich Hage). In this time frame about 50 Mennonite families were given formerly Catholic properties between Neuberg and Ingolstadt, as the government encouraged cultivation of the Danube Marsh.
    Death 1 Jun 1844  Ingolstadt, Bavaria, GR Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Burial Hellmannsburg, Bavaria, GR Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Hellmansburg Sutter Cemetery
    Person ID I521  Schrock-Birkey Connection
    Last Modified 26 Jan 2021 

    Family Magdalena Stähli,   b. 1765, Oberstraysa, Fränkisch-Crumbach, GR Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Hellmannsburg, Bavaria, GR Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Marriage 1788  Palatinate, GR Find all individuals with events at this location  [6
    Children 
     1. Christian Suttor,   b. 21 Jul 1788, Munchweiler, Palatinate, GR Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 12 Mar 1863, Hellmannsburg, Bavaria, GR Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 74 years)
     2. Elizabeth Sutter,   b. 1791, Munchweiler, Palatinate, GR Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 25 Jul 1861, Niederschoenfield, Donaue, GR Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 70 years)
     3. Katharina Suttor (Sutter),   b. 24 Aug 1794, Munchweiler, Palatinate, GR Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 27 Nov 1872, Neuberg-an-Donau, Bavaria, GR Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 78 years)
     4. Johannes Sutter (Suttor),   b. 26 Dec 1796, Lindelbrunnerhof Bei Annweiler, Palatinate, GR Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 2 Aug 1887, Morton Twp., Tazewell Co., IL Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 90 years)
    Family ID F226  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 26 Jan 2021 

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsResidence - Bef 1796 - St. Goarshausen, Nassau-Weilburg, GR Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 1796 - Probfeld, Bavaria, GR Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - Bef 1804 - Annweiler, Palatinate, GR Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 1804-1811 - Kaisheim, Bavaria, GR Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 1 Oct 1811 - Neuberg-an-Donau, Bavaria, GR Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDeath - 1 Jun 1844 - Ingolstadt, Bavaria, GR Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBurial - - Hellmannsburg, Bavaria, GR Link to Google Earth
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  • Notes 
    • Suttor/Sutor/Sutter/Suter is a Mennonite family name with Swiss origins. More than likely this surname is derived from the Latin expression for a shoemaker-- sutor.

      “Before it began to be drained, the Donaumoos (Danube marsh) was the largest bog in Southern Germany. In 1790 the Bavarian elector Charles Theodor began to invite Mennonites to settle in the inhospitable 120-square-mile area area, offering incentives for recaimation and cultivation. In 1802 over 120 Mennonite families were permitted to settle there, and many of the families remained until the '48er wave of emigration. Entries for Mennonite families in the Donaumoos such as Sutter, Oesch, and Ingold can also be found in Catholic records at Karlskron.”

      Johannes Sutor and three of his children were born at Hellmansburg. Many family members are buried there also. The largest of the markers in the cemetery reads:

      Here rest the bones (remains) of the deceased Christian Sutterich family.
      Father, Mother, Wife, Children. God has received (accepted) them so he
      will receive (accept) me too. Before God's face we will meet (see each other) again.
      Johannes Sutter, the ancestor (forefather) born 1765, died June 1, 1844
      left 2 sons and 2 daughters and 33 grandchildren. Of the Mennonite religion. [7, 8]

  • Sources 
    1. [S377] Merrill E. Balser, Christian Wagler Sutter.

    2. [S88] Rudolph Ingold, The Suttor Family from Hellmansberg.

    3. [S676] Sem Christian Sutter, Lindelbrunnerhof, Home of Johann Sutter (1765-1844).

    4. [S263] Philip V. Miller, Our Ancestors - Johannes Sutter, Magdalena Stahly.

    5. [S360] A Brief History of the John and Barbara Sutter Family.

    6. [S1269] Mary Ann Augsburger Eng, The Oesch Ancestral Home at Forsthof, Bavaria 1827-1889.

    7. [S398] Joseph Staker, Amish Mennonites in Tazewell Co.

    8. [S729] Research records sent to Alta Heiser Detweiler in correspondence by Gertrude Guth.


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